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. he's going to join us as well as laura tyson, the former head of the cea under president clinton. we're going to get their take on the cliff and today's jobs number. >>> also, tough week for apple shares. is now the time to load up? stick around for the apple trade in the back half of this hour. stay tuned. [ male announcer ] when this hotel added aflac to provide a better benefits package... oahhh! [ male announcer ] it made a big splash with the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. ♪ ha ha! >>> one of my next guests thinks that going over the fiscal cliff would be a good thing for wall street. the other says defense cuts would pose an unacceptable risk to the economy, national security, and her company. she is ceo and vice chairman of rti national metals. and howard dean should be joining us any minute now. in the meantime, thank you so much for joining us today, dawn. tell us exactly how going over the fiscal cliff would impact the defense industry. >> well, the fiscal cliff would just be someth
, that's something that will -- >> howard goes on and on. clinton tax rates on everybody. will it cause a problem? yeah, short recession, but we get defense cuts which republicans would never agree to otherwise, there are human service cut which is we won't like, but the least possible damage. and it's a serious down payment on the deficit. the wall street people ringing their hands are really full of it. i'm not sure what. but full of something because they're going to see a big drop on wall street but it will come roaring back because somebody has done something. so you have him and all their friends and the right and all their friends and the president who i don't think if he can ever get out of campaign mode. it's a full on campaign again. putting one party into -- >> you're right, the amt will hit more people in the middle class and raise their effective tax rate to a higher rate than they were today. and you won't -- >> you have obamacare 4% on everyone, too. >> if you lieu numerically, it doesn't make sense if one side says we're not going to race taxes on the middle class -- >>
hillary clinton accepted the concept that every time we've raised capital gains tax, the receipts from that have gone down. every time we've lowered it, they've gone up. he accepted that. i want to know if his opinion is modified or is he considering laying off tax and business investment for fear that it will give us less of it. >> two very interesting questions there about what effect a change in taxes does to behavior. i think you can't deny the fact that it does change behavior. is there right. it is very complicated math. when they start saying it is math, it is really complicated math. you show me someone who can do that study -- >> it goes back to that idea, you raise a tax on something, you'll get less of it! >> no doubt about it. >> jim iuorio, thank you. >>> reminder -- do not miss steve leisman's exclusive interview with treasury secretary tim geithner. there won't be many more of these because mr. geithner has signaled he will be leaving. it is at 4:00 p.m. today eastern time. key man, the point man, on the administration side in the fiscal cliff negotiations. >>> bertha co
to the clinton era rates is, we're going to do -- >> you might not get the benefit if you don't do anything to the deficit you're talking ten times the revenue if you go below the 98%. you can't return to clinton prosperity only raising taxes on 2%. it's different for all taxpayers. am i right? >> you're almost entirely wrong. >> why would raising just on the 2% get us back to the clinton prosperity you're talking about? we can't return to the spending levels either. >> getting to a sound fiscal position is necessary to protect the economy. if we don't do that, as this economy recovers, that recovery is going to be aborted and that's going to do damage. then the question is how you get there, and the president believes that we should raise revenues with a tax system that has been proven in the past to go along with very substantial -- >> you can't conflate the two. you have the entire -- >> joe, joe, if you go back to this, i'm not sure what you're arguing. >> raising on 2% is different than the other structure. >> the reason it's different is that the tax rate on everybody else is going to
is what has to happen, all right? the president needs to take a page out of president bill clinton -- >> he's in philadelphia with the middle class behind him and nodding and saying, i've got a pen, i've got a pen. i've still got a pen, i've still got a pen. >> president obama owes president clinton a great deal for helping him get elected. number one, we need a meaningful citizen education engagement effort with the white house in formada, next year to build the case for a grand bargain. the official version of what i did and what my colleagues did over the last several months and we need congressional hearings that will set the stage for tax reforms, social security reform and the president needs to negotiate privately and have discussions with congressional leaders of both parties privately. those three things can get us to the promt promise land. and without all three of those, we're in trouble. >> but, david, that is exactly what was supposed to happen between july of 2011 and today. and guess what? none of it has happened. none of it. we're having the same conversation. >> yo
, and then you have christie. and then could be bush versus clinton again. >> governor, thank you very much. appreciate your time. >> honor to be with you. >> right now it's time for "squawk on the street." ♪ >> good tuesday morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm melissa lee with carl quintanilla, jim cramer and david faber. we're live from post 9 at the new york stock exchange. a vacuum here in terms of u.s. economic data. none on top today. we're looking at a flat open across the board. as for europe, movement there. the buyback of greek debt will in fact work. we're seeing just fractions of a percent in terms of changes there. our road map this morning starts with the latest in the fiscal cliff negotiations. the white house promptly rebuffs the gop counterproposal which calls for $800 billion in new tax revenue but without tax rate increases for the wealthy. could this tax issue deadlock the talks? >>> bank of america ceo warns the cliff must get stalled or the economy could be stifled well into 2014. >>> even more dividends pushed into 2012. coach, american eagle moving up an
of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counteroffer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow-walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. instead of reforming the tax code and cutting spending, the president wants to raise tax rates. but even if the president got the tax rate hike that he wanted, understand that we would continue to see trillion-dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see. listen. washington's got a spending problem, not a revenue problem. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal, i believe that he's got an obligation to families and small businesses to offer a plan of his own, a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. we're ready and eager to talk to the pretty about such a plan. >> speaker, you did speak with the pretsident earlier this wee. can you talk about that call? also we understand that he's making clear that it's got to be increasing rates for the wealthy or no deal. are you willing to give a little bit, maybe not all the way to 39.
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